Comments by "dbergerac" (@dbergerac9632) on "Michigan Cop Shatters Car Window After Driver Refuses To Give ID" video.

Years ago I taught my son that the most expensive thing a man can own is ignorance.
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@davidp1773 Have ID, show ID. Be on your way in 10 minute tops. Usually 5.
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@engeldiaz1237 It is mandatory in the US to show License, Insurance and Registration also. Many police cars here are equipped with scanning devices that "see" the tags and scan them for irregularities, such as the vehicle insurance has lapsed or the registered owner's license was revoked. With a non-cooperative driver, often sufficient data can be obtained via computer if he gives up a full name and date of birth, then the police will just write a summons rather than have a stop escalate to violence. If it were up to me EVERY uninsured vehicle would be safely towed off of the public roads. The cop who writes a ticket to an uninsured driver and sends them on their way does not assume financial responsibility for MY injuries or damages if that driver then hits my car on his way home. The place to resolve disputed traffic stops is the traffic court, never the street.
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@davidp1773 MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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The backup cops should have closed the street before that.
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@wayneenterprise463 MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@WesWhiteheadky Yes. While the cop was technically correct, he did handle the stop poorly. When you encounter one of these sovereign citizen types, you are supposed to call backup and then ask several times for the license information, call a supervisor, ask again, demand, have the supervisor then ask then try to strike a bargain and only after 30-45 minutes of failure to get the license THEN smash glass and drag azz. This cop skipped the long version to his peril.
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@davidp1773 Please cite the exact law that says that the cop MUST tell you the reason for the stop before asking for ID. I am old, I can only wait for a few years. He does not even need probable cause, only reasonable suspicion. The important word there is "reasonable".
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@martieasedx_7970 I don't want to seem vague but in Michigan, which is not a "stop and ID" state, so the police cannot just stop people on the sidewalk and ask for ID, nor are passengers of vehicles required to offer ID. The rules for drivers of motor vehicles are different. The plain language of 257.311 is very clear. A driver "shall display the [operator's license] upon demand of any police officer ..." Since there are no binding cases, we just look at the clear, unambiguous wording of the statute. A motorist is required to "display" the license, not give it to the officer. So, holding it up the window should be sufficient. However, I would not recommend that a motorist refuse to surrender his or her license. First, an officer could argue that he or she needed to confirm that the license was not forged or altered. The driver's refusal to surrender the license under that circumstance could, believe it or not, amount to resisting and obstructing, a criminal felony charge for which you could go to jail. This actually happened; a driver held his license up to the window, refused to give it to the police officer, who could not read the license, and was subsequently arrested for resisting and obstructing. That charge was upheld by an appeals court.
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@davidp1773 It went VERY well for the authorities in Nazi Germany for many years until they were conquered mostly by other countries who also demand ID. The USSR did most of the heavy lifting and we know how they loved individual liberty.
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@artemusspears9981 Wrong: MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@WesWhiteheadky Bad city management is not the fault of the police.
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RCW 46.61.021 Duty to obey law enforcement officer—Authority of officer. (1) Any person requested or signaled to stop by a law enforcement officer for a traffic infraction has a duty to stop. (2) Whenever any person is stopped for a traffic infraction, the officer may detain that person for a reasonable period of time necessary to identify the person, check for outstanding warrants, check the status of the person's license, insurance identification card, and the vehicle's registration, and complete and issue a notice of traffic infraction. (3) Any person requested to identify himself or herself to a law enforcement officer pursuant to an investigation of a traffic infraction has a duty to identify himself or herself and give his or her current address. [ 2006 c 270 § 1; 1997 sp.s. c 1 § 1; 1989 c 353 § 7; 1979 ex.s. c 136 § 4.]
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@dylanumpherville3377 Hand over the documents, hear what the cop says, probably get no citation, outta there 5 10 minutes tops.
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@dylanumpherville3377 I guess you would say the same when the guy at the concert asks for your ticket or your ID to vote. Nobody owes you a thing.
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@prometheusproject6959 MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@alexisgalindo945 He must explain why. He does not have to explain why on command. He can check ID first.
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@tristinclements5163 Time stamp for blowing the sign :02 the sign becomes clearly visible at :12
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@jonathanhumphrey4143 2:41 "I don't have to answer any questions, I can just sit here and ignore you." Does ANYONE except sovcits really believe that would work? Yeah, cop right or wrong at this stage you really do. 2:46 "I don't answer questions." ( In sov-land they think that courtroom rights are extended to the streets.) 3:18 "So thanks, am I free to go?" Well, THAT never works in the middle of a traffic stop after refusing to ID but sovcits use it almost EVERY time. The cop REALLY should have gone with the usual 20 minute song and dance before the arrest, but he cut it short. And the final result is why we have so many LONG videos of cops pleading with sovs for the simplest cooperation.
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@michaelodonnell2635 I've heard that as well. Exactly how many cops have been assaulted by people jumping out of the trunk? Really? My trunk flops open on it's own when I stop if unlocked.
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@michaelodonnell2635 So with the escape latches, how exactly does touching it lock it to prevent the clowns from escaping the trunk? What if the driver had a kidnapped person in the trunk and they were trying to get out? "You stay put."
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@dylanumpherville3377 Yes. The ticket checker has a right to see your ticket and if you don't show it, you cannot participate. The cop has a statutory right to see your driver's license, if you don't show it, you cannot drive. Are you saying that you would have done the same as the driver? You would have received the same treatment. The less professional the guy with the gun is, the more cooperative I will be. You can have my space in the holding cell.
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@nomadic-jack8865 Pride will cost you social capital, ignorance can cost you cash, a lot and fast.
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Michayal Valder MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@platypusmaximus9278 He could tell him, but the driver insisted on proving that he'd not have to give the license until HE was satisfied. It really doesn't work that way. He has to show the DL and if he doesn't he can be arrested. NEVER bargain from a position that has no authority.
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Yeah they'd hate you because that's not what that state's law says. MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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In Michigan the driver has to produce his license on demand by an officer.
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@crazyrobots6565 I agree. Someone needs to switch to decaff.
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He will next time.
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@rashifarsya Reasonable suspicion validity is for your lawyer and court to discuss. The street is not where that case is made.
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Yep, he still alive despite being a jackass.
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His right to drive unlicensed and uninsured? I hope he hits YOUR car.
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@allmen68 Which right?
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@allmen68 Citation for the Michigan law that states officer must tell you the reason for a traffic stop BEFORE requiring ID, please. Everyone gets told at some point.
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@hdbstories4788 dbergerac dbergerac 1 second ago @stick to the script Yes, he is: MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@angelmoretti7791 dbergerac dbergerac 1 second ago @stick to the script Yes, he is: MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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The officer certainly could have told him the reason for the stop. that would then be followed by an argument about the validity of the reason, on and on for a long time and STILL not receiving the requested, required ID. Faster and easier to not violate any more laws, often it'll just be a warning. Failing to give up the driver's license WILL get you charged, if not arrested. It's easier if the cop takes the ID, runs the data and returns with a citation or warning and explanation, "sign here", goodbye.
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It was explained to him. COP: License, Insurance and Registration. Driver: I ain't giving you that until you follow MY demands first. Cop: Then you can be arrested. :Driver: Naw. Cop: Wanna bet?
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@epicgamingscenes MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@jessi1290 MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@sticktothescript8299 Yes, he is: MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification. Sec. 311. The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such. History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1983, Act 63, Eff. Mar. 29, 1984
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@michaelodonnell2635 I just wanted to know how many clowns have hopped out of trunks to assault cops compared to drivers who shoot them and drive away. My 89 Lincoln has no such escape device although I am aware of them.
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@timowens2086 Due to a lack of ignorance? Well, he's a successful businessman and grandfather of four, his chains are so very very light that he hardly notices when vacationing in Europe.
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@rawldiggins3371 ignorance IS more expensive than knowledge. All day long. Are you from Uranus? I'm not certain that you READ my post so I'll repeat it for you: "Years ago I taught my son that the most expensive thing a man can own is ignorance." I'm really uncertain how you can consider that controversial. Be SURE to carry a bag full of ignorance into the bank with you when you buy a home. That will serve as well as knowledge and can't cost you a thing. The world is filled with "Nigerian Princes" literally making bank off of the ignorance of others.
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@Jsgro69 Uhm right
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It looked to me like he blew through a stop sign
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Cop then sprays bullets through window and doors killing all occupants. "The Lt was right, I don't have to pull em out to kill em". OR he was just doing his job
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Michayal Valder Due process is a date with a magistrate.
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