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Comments by "Muck006" (@Muck006) on "Charlie's Angels - A Perfect Storm" video.
The best FEMALE character ever written (IMO) is Elizabeth Bennett from Pride & Prejudice. She is strong (keeping secrets SECRET instead of blabbering the out to everyone else), independent (not following the "general behaviour" of other women in her family, especially her mother) and has courage ... which gets showcased in one of the best "female duels" ever [watch the version from 95, NOT the one with Keira Knightley who cant act]: https://youtu.be/LcaEN8eVBfk it lasts for 6+ minutes and is taken 100% directly from the book.
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@ghostly What? Me? Nah ... because these women are REAL women who DONT need to "take everything from men". Go read Pride & Prejudice ... it is one of the best written books IMO ... and you can just download it from Project Guttenberg.
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@piccoloatburgerking The six novels by Jane Austen are pretty good, although they differ A LOT in their style of writing (some might be a bit harder to read because they are a bit dry) ... but they arent really "romance novels" but rather "social critiques" as to the "behaving correctly/in a good way". [We dont know how the majority of people were back then, but maybe they had empty headed dimwits dominating the daily social life too.] There have been good and bad film adaptations for these too ... here are my choices for the "good ones" - Emma: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118308/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_5 - Northanger Abbey [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844794/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 - Mansfield Park: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085052/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3 - Persuasion [2]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844330/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 - Sense and Sensibility [3]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847150/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_9 The thing about all of these is that they dont have any "all women good" nonsense in it and there are always lots of obviously bad women and men in all of them. For some you have to think about the time when they were made and how people made films back then. The Mansfield Park miniseries for example is divided into "acts" like a theatre play for example.[4] If you want to read the books ... - Pride & Prejudice is the easiest to read IMO - Northanger Abbey is fun too ... especially because Henry Tilney can be very entertaining - Emma is equally ok ... - Mansfield Park is a bit dry due to having more non-dialogue ... but it really requires it to describe the actions of the participants and the miniseries is pretty much a copy of the book (although the heroine isnt that pretty to look at ... which fits in with the book!) - Sense and Sensibility and Persuasion are somewhere between Mansfield Park and the others. [1] The novel "Northanger Abbey" has "The Northanger Eight" ... which is a bunch of gothic horror novels with fainting damsels and dashing heroes to rescue them [I didnt read them, but they can probably be found] and the "dream scenes" in this version are a connection to them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northanger_Abbey [2] There isnt a really "authentic" version of the book in film, but this one has very good music that adds to the feeling you should have ... the first half is pretty much the book and the second part takes liberties to cut the time short so it can be one movie. [3] If you dont know the book ... the first few minutes will be confusing, but they are a reference to "the villain" and what he has done. [4] The characters in this one are trying to "act" in a play of the time and you can find the script for that online ... both versions of it, because the english "Lover's Vows" is based on a german play "Kind der Liebe". [As a german I cant link to Project Guttenberg, they block us for copyright reasons, but you can find the link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovers%27_Vows ]
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@piccoloatburgerking If you want to find something to read ... Project Guttenberg is a good source for "free downloads" and they had top 100 lists with authors/novels (back when they didnt block Germany yet). That might be a way to find other authors and stories.
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Female OR feminist ego? I'd say it is the latter ...
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The movie was made for Elizabeth Banks EGO.
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@piccoloatburgerking I just remembered some things I should have mentioned while talking about Pride & Prejudice and Jane Austen: 1. Try to inform yourself about customs of the time (for novels set in "the real world"), they might help understand the importance of certain scenes/problems: a) in Pride & Prejudice there is a scene about halfway through the story when Mr. Darcy hands Elizabeth Bennet a letter. This is important, because it was "socially inacceptable" for an unmarried person to communicate directly with an unmarried person of the other sex. Due to the nature of postal delivery such things wouldnt be a secret for long ... which is why "directly handing her the letter" is the only option to do it in secret. b) the way in which finances work is important, because women of the upper/middle class usually got a set amount of money and the husband immediately took control of this ... because the husband managed the finances while the wife managed the household/servants. Even if the husband wanted to invite some friends ... it had to be the wife to invite them! The husband managed the finances while the wife could "go out and buy things on credit" which the husband had to pay. There were accounts of husbands mistreating their wives and not paying for their expenses [doubtlessly used to prove the need for feminism] ... but the opposite also existed. c) the different styles of carriage might be important to "get the right picture in your head" ... because a curricle is different from a barouche or a landau 2. There are other references to real life history which might be interesting: a) clothes for women (and to a lesser degree men) of different eras: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrR0r23WBVav42inmqWa6_A b) paintings through the different styles: There is a brilliant series called "Palettes" by Alain Jaubert, who has produced 50 episodes of 30 minutes about one piece of art ... starting with roman/egyptian times and ending in modern times. These talk not only about the paintings but also about the times and the social situations surrounding the artists. An example is this (french ... cant find an english one) about a series of tapestries from ~1530 (now in the Hotel de Cluny in Paris) https://youtu.be/-blDcSpAnV8 BUT copies of this were used here: https://youtu.be/9aZxsOZ50y4 The whole list of episodes of the series can be found here: https://sales.arte.tv/fiche/534/PALETTES ... the point is: you might find references to things in unusual places. c) for a sense of "daily life" there is a team of historians/archaeologists who have done several "projects" of "living on a farm just like they did 400 years ago for a year" ... and this might give a sense of the day-to-day necessities. victorian farm: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJDQ6pmswtHihrb5UnOLlMT24V4TLKnIK 1600: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL83hoGV2mytXlytEYGxR6WHOaY2YtUO0O ... lots more
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