Comments by "bobby hans" (@user-oc7ll9sv5r) on "Warfronts"
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To put things in perspective, Ukraine had 176 ICBMs and over 2000 tactical nukes along with bombers able to carry them. They gave it all up in exchange for security guarantees from USA, UK and Russia ( Budapest Memorandum 1994 ). One would say that assisting Ukraine now when its being invaded should be obvious thing to do when you signed up on their security and they gave up literally thousands nukes...
US. and UK., gave Ukraine a guarantee of protecting Ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity based on the 1991 borders that included Crimea and east Ukraine Luhansk and Donbass..
As of the result of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, US., gave Ukraine a guarantee that the US, stands now as a grantor of Ukraine sovereignty , becouse Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons and back then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile !!
This guarantee was reconfirmed by United States when in 2009 released a statement that the memorandum's security assurances would still be respected after the expiration of the START Treaty
After the annexation of Crimea by in 2014, The US, Canada, the UK, France along with other countries, stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Let me explain and give some Content !!
According to the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they would:
1. Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Ukraine.
3. Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine to influence their politics.
4. Seek immediate action to provide assistance Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments
We need to understand that EITHER the word/ deals and / or the grantees of the west are worth something or they are not !!
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What rally pisses me off is that some ppl. are now saying why does Ukraine not just let Russia have the areas /land its just a small part of Ukriane anyway.....
A small part of Ukraine ...
WE ARE taking about a land mass the size of fucking Belgium, Holland, Austria and Greece all put together
Why the fuck should Ukraine give up all that land for what to be invaded only some years later !!
I SAY RUSSIA GETS TO TAKE LAND AND DEMAND UKRAINE CAN NOT JOIN NATO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL !! Nobody wants to be a "buffer country".
The whole concept is demeaning to an independent nation. NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom and self-determination, like some sort of 2nd class country; That is not right, and Russia has no right to demand or bully Ukrainians or Ukraine to accept to be some sort of lap dog on a leash 2nd class country to serve kremlins geopolitical agenda and so Kremlin, Putin and RuZZans can feel better about themselves ...
Eastern European countries (ex soviet countries like Poland the baltic states ect ect ..) joined NATO because they are scared of Russia and want to be and stay independent. Nobody forced them to join NATO they was the ones running and knocking and begging to be able to join NATO and the EU ,,, .
When Russia invaded Ukriane Russia then just showed why it was a good idea for those countries to join NATO, because if they didn't they might just have got invaded as well just like Ukraine and Georgia did .
During Soviet times those Eastern European countries where nothing less than Russia puppet states. If they didn't join NATO after the fall of the USSR then they for sure couldn't guarantee their own independence from Russia.
Nato did nothing wrong, the only mistake was Ukraine not joining NATO to ensure Ukraines independence; Remember former satellite states like Poland, Romania, Czech Republic and The Baltic states, Slovakia ect ect all came running by their own accord, knocking, kicking, screaming and banging at the front door of EU and NATO begging to come in, no one forced them into it .
If Russia was not such a asshole country and stoped constantly bulling neighboring countries maybe other neighboring countries will not need to join NATO and by more open and welcoming to Russia ..
On a side note ; Moscow is ONLY 480 km to Latvia and 150 km from St, Petersburg and via Estonia so the argument that NATO will get closer to Moscow if Ukraine joins NATO is BS there is 800 km from Kyiv to Moscow ..
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What rally gets me is that some ppl. like idiots like you are now saying why does Ukraine not just let Russia have the areas /land its just a small part of Ukriane anyway.....
A small part of Ukraine ...
WE ARE taking about a land mass the size of fucking Belgium, Holland, Austria and Greece all put together do you think the EU will just give putin those lands for exchange of pace .. how about US just gives Russia Alaska ..
Why the should Ukraine give up all that land for what to be invaded only some years later !!
I SAY RUSSIA GETS TO TAKE LAND AND DEMAND UKRAINE CAN NOT JOIN NATO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL !! Nobody wants to be a "buffer country".
The whole concept is demeaning to an independent nation. NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom and self-determination, like some sort of 2nd class country; That is not right, and Russia has no right to demand or bully Ukrainians or Ukraine to accept to be some sort of lap dog on a leash 2nd class country to serve kremlins geopolitical agenda and so Kremlin, Putin and RuZZans can feel better about themselves ...
Eastern European countries (ex soviet countries like Poland the baltic states ect ect ..) joined NATO because they are scared of Russia and want to be and stay independent. Nobody forced them to join NATO they was the ones running and knocking and begging to be able to join NATO and the EU ,,, .
When Russia invaded Ukriane Russia then just showed why it was a good idea for those countries to join NATO, because if they didn't they might just have got invaded as well just like Ukraine and Georgia did .
During Soviet times those Eastern European countries where nothing less than Russia puppet states. If they didn't join NATO after the fall of the USSR then they for sure couldn't guarantee their own independence from Russia.
Nato did nothing wrong, the only mistake was Ukraine not joining NATO to ensure Ukraines independence; Remember former satellite states like Poland, Romania, Czech Republic and The Baltic states, Slovakia ect ect all came running by their own accord, knocking, kicking, screaming and banging at the front door of EU and NATO begging to come in, no one forced them into it .
If Russia was not such a asshole country and stoped constantly bulling neighboring countries maybe other neighboring countries will not need to join NATO and by more open and welcoming to Russia ..
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NATO is a "threat" to Russia in the sense that a cop on the beat is a "threat" to a mugger. NATO wouldn't have been formed in the first place if Stalin had not rejected the US offer of the same Marshall Plan which so benefited the rest of Europe everywhere it was instituted, Stalin was instead bent every effort to CONQUER and dominate European neighboring states and expand Russia, borders with its concept of "sphere of influence " over the near abroad..
We need to understand that Russia didn't come to encompass 11% of earth's land area, by being invaded by other countries; Russia did so by invading far more other countries, than it was itself invaded by ; Remember Russia is a Federation of states , and the Russian part of that federation is the smallest state in the "Russian federation.".
(Russia with a total area of 17,098,242 Km² (6,601,665 mi²) and a land area of 16,376,870 Km² (6,323,142 mi²), equivalent to 11% of the total world's landmass )
In history MANY and ALL countries have been invaded frequently by their neighbors throughout all of history. Was Russia invaded more than France? Germany? Poland in HISTORY ? NO IT WAS NOT !!!
So this acting the victim, when it comes to the west, that Kremlin does all the time, .. This buhhh the evil-west AGGRESSIVE west always invades us always is attacking us Buhhhh; This is why we see western NATO as a danger buhhhh !!!! THIS TYPE OF ACTING THE VICTEM is absolute and nothing more and less than Kremlin BS is is done so you overlook the facts and to pull the smoke over your eyes !!! ..
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NATO is a "threat" to Russia in the sense that a cop on the beat is a "threat" to a mugger. NATO wouldn't have been formed in the first place if Stalin had not rejected the US offer of the same Marshall Plan which so benefited the rest of Europe everywhere it was instituted, Stalin was instead bent every effort to CONQUER and dominate European neighboring states and expand Russia, borders with its concept of "sphere of influence " over the near abroad..
We need to understand that Russia didn't come to encompass 11% of earth's land area, by being invaded by other countries; Russia did so by invading far more other countries, than it was itself invaded by ; Remember Russia is a Federation of states , and the Russian part of that federation is the smallest state in the "Russian federation.".
(Russia with a total area of 17,098,242 Km² (6,601,665 mi²) and a land area of 16,376,870 Km² (6,323,142 mi²), equivalent to 11% of the total world's landmass )
In history MANY and ALL countries have been invaded frequently by their neighbors throughout all of history. Was Russia invaded more than France? Germany? Poland in HISTORY ? NO IT WAS NOT !!!
So this acting the victim, when it comes to the west, that Kremlin does all the time, .. This buhhh the evil-west AGGRESSIVE west always invades us always is attacking us Buhhhh; This is why we see western NATO as a danger buhhhh !!!! THIS TYPE OF ACTING THE VICTEM is absolute and nothing more and less than Kremlin BS is is done so you overlook the facts and to pull the smoke over your eyes !!! ..
Do i need to mention all of eastern Europe was under brutal Russian regime, hegemonic control for over 40 years .. ?? And that historical Russia has invaded and occupied way more of its neighbors then vice versa !
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Nobody wants to be a "buffer country". The whole concept is demeaning to an independent nation. NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom and self-determination like a type of 2nd class country; that is not right, and Russia has no right to demand or bully Ukrainians or Ukraine to accept to be some sort of lap dog on a leash 2nd class country, that indirectly will serving the kremlins geopolitical agenda, and so Kremlin, the RuZZians and Putin can feel better about themselves ...
All the Eastern European countries has more or less joined NATO because they was scared of Russia and want make sure they will stay independent, (and the same goes for the EU financial independence ) Nobody forced Eastern European countries to join , NATO or the EU all of them came running and begging and knocking on the door of NATO and EU by themselves, asking and begging to be let into The EU and NATO !!
Russia invading Ukriane back 2014 and Georgia back in 2008 and now all out war with Ukraine from 2022++ just showed, why it was and still is a good idea for those Eastern European countries to join NATO, and the EU because if they didn't they might just have got invaded as well .
During Soviet times those Eastern countries where nothing but quasi Russia puppet states and where totally exploited by Russia under under its heel and boot. If those eastern European countries didn't join NATO then they couldn't have guaranteed their own future continuous independence from Russia by themselves . Nato did nothing wrong, the only mistake was Ukraine not joining NATO to ensure their independence !!!
The former satellite states like Poland,Romania,Czech Republic and The Baltic states, Slovakia ect ect was running to and knocking at the front door of EU and NATO begging to come inn and thats the truth !! . If Russia was not such a asshole country and stoped constantly bulling neighboring countries maybe other neighboring countries will not need to join NATO and by more open and welcoming to Russia ..
Moscow is ONLY 480 km to Latvia and 150 km from St, Petersburg and via Estonia so the argument that NATO will get closer to Moscow if Ukraine joins NATO is BSthere is 800 km from Kyiv to Moscow ..
On a side side note ; Election under a gun with tanks and thugs standing over the voting boxes is not an election it can not be a free and legal election...Referendums vía gun point isn't a referendum, it's racketeering. Something that Russia knows oh so very well how to do. YOU CAN VOTE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN It will never be legal as long as Russian army is there and as lone as it is an illegal gov. put there by an occupying force
It might be useful to recap some of the reason why Russia is now an outcast :
Russian interference in numerous elections and referendums in EU countries over the last decade; Russia's active disinformation campaigns across the EU;
Russian-based cyber attacks targeting numerous EU countries;
Provocative Russian military flights in and around EU and NATO airspace;
Russia's interference with GPS navigation systems in Scandinavia;
Russia's continued deployment of "peacekeepers" in Moldova despite that country's repeated requests that Russian troops be replaced with UN peacekeepers;
Russia's 2008 war against Georgia and its continued occupation of some 20 percent of Georgian territory;
Russia's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region;
Russia's intense involvement in the war in eastern Ukraine, which the ICC in November 2016 ruled "an international armed conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation";
Russia's obstructionism in implementation of the Minsk agreements to end the Ukraine conflict;
Russia's role in acts of terrorism in the 2014 downing of a passenger airliner (Malaysia Airlines MH17) over Ukraine that killed 298 people;
Russia's poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006;
Russia's attempted assassination of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal in Salisbury in 2018;
among lots of other things to much to even list up ..
NONE OF THIS ABOVE WAS SOMETHING THE EU , THE USA OR EVEN NATO, FORCED OR TRICKED RUSSIA INTO DOING !!!
RUSSIA’S INVASION OF UKRAINE in 2014 VIOLATED INTERNATIONAL LAW:
1. The Geneva Convention.
2. Charter of the United Nations
3. The Helsinki Accords
4. The Charter of the OSCE
5. Budapest Memorandum of 1994
6. Two Russia, Ukraine friendship treaties
7. International Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination
8. European Court of Human Rights
THE LEGAL FACTS WHY CRIMEA BELONGS TO UKRAINE .
The earlier published documents, and materials that have emerged more recently make clear that the transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to the UkrSSR was carried out in accordance with the 1936 Soviet constitution, which in Article 18 stipulated that “the territory of a Union Republic may not be altered without its consent.” The proceedings of the USSR Supreme Soviet Presidium meeting indicate that both the RSFSR and the UkrSSR had given their consent via their republic parliaments.
One of the officials present at the 19 February session, Otto Kuusinen, even boasted that “only in our country [the USSR] is it possible that issues of the utmost importance such as the territorial transfer of individual oblasts to a particular republic can be decided without any difficulties.” One might argue that the process in 1954 would have been a lot better if it had been complicated and difficult, but no matter how one judges the expeditiousness of the territorial reconfiguration, the main point to stress here is that it is incorrect to say (as some Russian commentators and government officials recently have) that Crimea was transferred unconstitutionally or illegally. The legal system in the Soviet Union was mostly a fiction, but the transfer did occur in accordance with the rules in effect at the time.
Moreover, regardless of how the transfer was carried out, the Russian Federation expressly accepted Ukraine’s 1991 borders both in the December 1991 Belovezhskaya Pushcha accords (the agreements that precipitated and codified the dissolution of the Soviet Union) and in the December 1994 Budapest Memorandum that finalized Ukraine’s status as a non-nuclear weapons state.
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Appeasement & Armageddon: Giving in to Vladimir Putin’s nuclear blackmail will spark an unprecedented nuclear arms race and make a future nuclear war far more likely!!
There is a reason why the Soviet Union, nor any nuclear power, never launched a first strike (nuclear attack) since Word War 2, despite all of the Cold War fears that the Soviets would. And its because you can't launch a first strike without being annihilated in the second strike. I remember in the 80s when The Day After aired, and everyone hoped the Soviets would see the movie and learn the lesson. Probably not realizing the Soviets can be trusted to act in the best self-interests...which mutually assured destruction is clearly against... and that the Soviets knew this since the 60s, if not the 50s. -- How is it any different today?
Even if Putin had the launch codes (he doesn't), or the ability to order a first strike by himself (he doesn't), even he would know the response is not going to be 'more sanctions'. -- The only way I could fathom Russia using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, or against any enemy country, is the FSB had a foolproof plan to blame am ISIS terror cell, or rogue Chechen element, or claim the Ukrainians did it in a false-flag conspiracy to frame the Russians. -- But that would require a convincing story on how such an element got the nuclear weapon 'elsewhere', and eliminating everyone involved in the planning and execution. Whatever the case, Russia would need absolute plausible deniability. -- Here's my two cents, if there was really a way to use a nuclear weapon against an enemy without equal repercussions, Russia and China (and the US) would have figured it out a long time ago and did it already.
All NATO must do is take out Moscow and 5 -6 other city's to take out all of Russia.... But Russia must take out city's all over the planet from USA , CANADA ,FRANCE UK. ALL OF EUROPE and as far away as , AUSTRALIA and so on and so on ...
United Kingdom 225 warheads (submarine delivery systems new and up to date systems )
France 300 warheads
(submarine delivery systems new and up to date systems )
United States 7,315 warheads
(Mixed delivery systems new and up to date systems )
Russia 8,000 warheads
(Mixed delivery systems old mostly from the soviet union times NOT up to date systems )
RUSSIA IS AT DISADVANTAGE !!! and they know it Putin's regime knows its and that is why they will not use nukes they will hint and shout about nukes but that's it !!
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The Black Sea countries are many!! And Then Black Sea does not belong to Russia that’s a myth !!
Bulgaria, (NATO )
Romania (NATO)
Turkey (NATO)
Ukraine (NATO partner )
Georgia (NATO partner)
So in-fact ANY NATO country members navy and or air force is within their full right to sail and be within the Black Sea, as non of the Black Sea Nations (That have a real and legal int. recognized cost-line not like Russia ) have any problem with NATO ships being in their waters and even the non NATO members like Ukraine and Georgia, even more so then the NATO nations, want and are begging for more NATO ships to come and be in the BLACK SEA !
(NATO nations of the black sea are in-fact real black sea nations not like Russia stealing land then claiming to be the owner of that land and sea )
Coastline length to the black see by country/ Country Coastline length (km)
Turkey 1,329km (NATO)
Ukraine 2,782km (NATO partner )
Bulgaria 354km (NATO)
Georgia 310km (NATO partner )
Romania 225km (NATO)
AND ON A SIDE NOTE : The western NATO-alliance is already 500 km from Moscow via Latvia and 150 km from St, Petersburg via Estonia so the argument that NATO will get closer to Moscow if Ukraine joins NATO is BS there is 800 km from Kyiv to Moscow ..
(And lets not forget the last time when "Russia" got closer to NATO it was in-fact Russia own doing, by invading and annexing Crimea in 2014 "Russia" came right up-to and ended inside the NATO countries BLACK SEA maritime territorial waters !!)
And her is a thought .. If every neighbor you have is running to NATO begging NATO to let them join; is it becouse you are such a nice and good neighbor?
Or is it because you act like a bully and are aggressive and invade your neighbors lands sending in troops and tanks Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Poland 1980 Moldova 1990-91, Georgia 2008, Ukraine 2014 ++ and now Kazakhstan 2022+++ and Ukraine 2022 (soon to come ) ??
Russia eats eats eats its victims and then blame the victims for eating them !!...
Maybe if you act in a more nicer way, then your neighbors will liked you more and maybe your neighbors in your neighborhood will want to be around you as well ..
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THE MYTH OF RUSSIA IS A SUPERPOWER ON THE WORLD STAGE DEBUNKED !
For centuries, Russia has seen itself as one of the world's great powers.
This superpower Russia status idea myth, seen by most of the world is now become a declining idea and the world is now seeing that Russia is not and has never been any super power; More and more ppl. now understand that Russia has only been masquerading as a "SUPER POWER " the Kremlin has been presenting itself as one and hiding behind the Myth of super power status; And even for some time the kremlin themself (one can argue) started to believe in their own lies, their own myth making and their own propaganda !
BUT AFTER UKRIANE THIS MYTH IS BUSTED !!
Russia: has only $1.48 trillion annual GDP that makes Russia about the same size economically on the level of Spain if your economy is as small as Spain how can you think even for one min you are some sort of super power, that has some spacial right to be seen on the same level as UK, US , or even China ???
Let's look at some fact here: Russia is closer to Indonesia and Australia economically, than it is UK , Germany , France US or Japan .. !!
And when it comes to having nukes dose that make you a super power, well UK and France has nuclear weapons (intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBMs) as well and so does North Korea and even israel is claimed to have nuclear weapons, is North Korea or UK and France Super powers becouse they have nuclear weapons ???
1. United States: $20.89 trillion
2. China: $14.72 trillion
3. Japan: $5.06 trillion
4. Germany: $3.85 trillion
5. United Kingdom: $2.67 trillion
6. India: $2.66 trillion
7. France: $2.63 trillion
8. Italy: $1.89 trillion
9. Canada: $1.64 trillion
10. South Korea: $1.63 trillion
11. Russia: $1.48 trillion
12. Brazil: $1.44 trillion
13. Australia: $1.32 trillion
14. Spain: $1.28 trillion
15. Indonesia: $1.05 trillion
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And Russia and Iran is behind all of this Russia is the one supporting Hamas, sending weapons and resources and have done for years Russia does this via Iran, using Iran as a puppet state a this way have possible deniability so Kremlin can send Hamas weapons and funding !!
And ppl. in the west that are pro Putin are infact all indirectly (but to stupid to understand ) supportive of all the western enemies enemies like Syria , Iran , North Korea, Hamas and even the Taliban by supporting Russia as Russia is backing them all up to the teeth !!
Ask yourself this question ; Who benefits from this destabilization right now who ???
You dont fine this strange that all this happened just right after Putin had all those massive meetings in the last months ; Putin in the last months has had personal meetings with all of the leaders of Iran , North Korea , China and even the Taliban and Hams in the last months !!! And now all we all of see that suddenly out of the blue, Hamas has all the resources it needs to go all out war with the strongest country in the middle east Hamas a little bankrupt terror org. can now go an all out attack full scale attack on Israel !!!
Ask yourself HOW IS THE POSSIBLE how did they almost over night get those resources and who benefits from all this uproar and destabilization in the middle east WHO ???
NOT ISREAL NOT IRAN NOT AFGHANISTAN NOT SYRIA NOT THE EU NOT USA NOT UK NOT CHINA NOT EVEN PALESTINE INFACT NO COUNTRY BENEFITS FROM THIS, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION THERE IS ONE COUNTRY THAT DOES BENEFITS AND ITS RUSSIA; YES RUSSIA BENEFITS FROM THIS AND THEY REALLY BENEFIT FORM IT BIG TIME !!
RuZZia gets to have western media look another way form what RuZZia is doing inside Ukraine!!!!! Russia gets to defect the worlds attention way from the war crimes, genocide , the 10s of thousands of Ukrainian children Russian army has kidnapped in Ukriane !!!
Russia gets the world media to look another way when it comes to the fact the Putin is a wanted man that the ICC International criminal court in The Hague as issued an arrest warrant ,for war crimes and crimes against humanity including but not limited to genocide and for kidnapping of Ukrainian children and forcibly deporting them to Russia !!
Also Russia gets to make US , EU ect ect divert resources and weapons from UKRAINE to Israel; divert military intelligence resources , divert aid ect ect ect ect away from UKRAINE !!!
SO ALL YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS IS WHO BENEFITS AND HOW THEY BENEFIT !! AND YES RUSSIAN AND ONLY RUSSIA BENEFITS HERE BIG TIME !!
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After he fled to Putin with billions of stolen money the Kremlin-backed politician and his cronies (made away with $40 billion in state Ukrainian assets disappear ) the idea that he remained the legitimate head of the Ukrainian state is insane !!
Lets take a closer look into legitimacy of Yanukovych Presidency..
Can the legitimacy of a ruling authority survive past the blatantly illegal adoption of laws designed to end democracy and create a dictatorship? No. Of course it cannot. Yet, this is what the Yanukovych controlled Party of Regions attempted to do on Jan. 16, 2014. Later analysis of images taken in parliament that while 235 MPs were declared to have voted for these “dictatorship” laws, only about half of this number of MPs were actually in the session hall when the vote was taken (by a show of hands – also illegal.)
After such clearly anti-democratic and dishonest actions, can anyone consider that authority to be legitimate? The actions were a breach of Article 5 of Ukraine’s constitution – something that Yanukovych was under oath to protect and uphold. But he failed to keep his word.
There were more violations of the constitution by Yanukovych, its supposed protector.
Article 27 of Ukraine’s constitution says that “Every person shall have the inalienable right to life. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of life.” Yet Yuri Verbitsky, a 42 year old geologist from Lviv, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by forces belonging to the Yanukovych regime between Jan. 22 and Jan. 25 of 2014.
That Yanukovych had already lost any legitimacy by this point should be beyond question. Later, of course, came the deaths of many more people on Jan. 18 and then Jan. 20, after which Yanukovych fled to Russia, insisting his authority and position were still legitimate. Define legitimate.
The idea that legitimacy carries on from appointment without further question is a complete fallacy. It is something that we should refuse to accept. An elected leader most certainly can lose their legitimacy through illegal and/or unconstitutional, actions. The most recent public attempt at increasing the fog blurring the distinction between legitimately elected and legitimate comes from Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. Bottom line, they are not the same, although it is easy to see why Russia’s ruling clan would seek to pretend that they are.
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