Comments by "bobby hans" (@user-oc7ll9sv5r) on "Ryan McBeth"
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WHY TRUMPS AMERICA IS NOW HYPOCRITICAL !
1. I want to ask Americans : Did America ever pay back France for supporting us during the Revolutionary War ???? Nope !! Good example for the world !
2. When Denmark sold the West Indies (FACT, purchase the US Virgin Islands from Denmark.) to the United States in 1917, the agreement included a clause that obliged the United States to refrain from making territorial claims to Greenland. It would therefore be a breach of a previous agreement if Trump makes good on his threats to use economic or military force to gain control of Greenland.
3. US. gave Ukraine a guarantee of protecting Ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity based on the 1991 borders that included Crimea and east Ukraine Luhansk and Donbass..
As of the result of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, US., gave Ukraine a guarantee that the US, stands now as a grantor of Ukraine sovereignty , because Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons and back then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile !!
This guarantee was reconfirmed by United States when in 2009 released a statement that the memorandum's security assurances would still be respected after the expiration of the START Treaty
After the annexation of Crimea by in 2014, The US, Canada, the UK, France along with other countries, stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.
4. When America was attacked on September the 11 2001 and The World Trade Center was crumbling ever European Country helped America ; when you went into IRAQ and Afghanistan every European Country was with you sending their boys to day side by side with US troops !!!
In fact every war that the US has been involved in since the 2nd world war be it Korea, Vietnam , etc etc EUROPEAN AND NATO trops have been there for you every step of the way !!! SO WHO IS BEING ENTAILED HERE !! ..
ON A SIDE NOTE ; Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, several countries began military operations against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban during Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) in Afghanistan.
UKRAINE WAS ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES Ukraine was with the US. for 11 years side by side back to back with US forces !!!!
Ukraine allowed use of its airspace and airbases to the US and its allies, but only for cargo flights. Ukraine was a participant in the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan and deployed troops as part of NATO's ISAF mission to the country. It contributed medical personnel supporting Provincial Reconstruction Teams, and provided instructors for NATO's Training Mission. After ISAF's mission ended in 2014, Ukraine supported the follow-on Resolute Support Mission (2015-2021) that trained, advised and assisted Afghan security forces
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We NEED to understand this :
RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA attacks its target by just being between the gray areas of what is the truth and lies that small crack between the two ; between the light and the dark; between the cracks of the open spaces: in other words they mislead by false appearances and illusions and those doubt and confusing is the order of the day !
And that's why it is so effective, as it is neither lies or truth, is not half truths or half lies; its all of the above and none of the above !!!
It is not made to make you believe in anything or disbelieve anything, it's made to make you doubt and distrust your own reality of what you have of experience about your own society what the world , society has objectivity shown you to be truth, you start to doubt your own society there is no objectivity grounded facts and truth ; everything is subjective and floating, nothing is clear-cut no universal truth.
Russian propaganda just sows enough doubt and confusion, that you just ignore your own thoughts of what you know is true and therefore rocks with your internal conviction and your physical sense of being ! It doesn't try to make you believe anything but to trust nothing and doubt everything around you .. !
In the shadow world of the Kremlin's FSB its called Active measures, and it's psychological subversion and confusion management at its highest level ; what some ppl. may call gaslighting but fare more sophisticated than so !
Its not intelligence collection the FSB and GRU is doing when they run such psychological propaganda operations, but subversion of the countries populace minds and their reality : "active measures " is made to weaken the targets moral , to drive wedges in the the targets community alliances of all sorts, sow discord among allies, to weaken the western systems in the eyes of its own populace.
What Russian propaganda tries to do is mentally turn YOU into one of those "prisoners in the cave" like in Plato's Allegory of the Cave from Plato's Republic (in the theory of forms ) , you see shadows and reflections of what they show you and a twisted from of reality is then reality a type of distorted the truth and facts ; the light and truth has become "shadows on a wall " where you are not sure anymore and started to think and doubt facts and truth believing that maybe up is down, white is black, left is right; truth is lies and fact is fiction !!
And those you will find yourself a solace in your own ignorances and doubt and in some cases you may even choose to be hostile to anyone that challenges whatever preconceptions and notions of doubt you have being gaslighted into thinking is the " truth ( "shadows on a wall " so to speak ) !!!
You have been victimized and programmed by Russian propaganda to believe or disbelieve whatever is the kremlin narrative, you have became a dubious fool that is " on the horns of a dilemma" and you end up in rejecting grounded norms and truth and just willing become accepting of what suites the kremlin narrative; you start repeating Kremlin talking points like a parrot and you are more or less incapable of critical independent sovereign thinking a cognitive dissonance prevails; you will struggle to gain the knowledge and enlightenment needed to analyze contradictory statements !
The target (civilized western world) " western societies populace and you are drained down into a muddy murky abyss of contradictory statements; in other words subversion of the target society (and YOU ) at this point is complete and your ability to illuminate your own thoughts and find truth is destroyed and the path for enlightenment critical thinking is therefore almost impossible..
THIS IS WHAT RUSSIANS FSB AND GRU CALL ACTIVE MEASURES !!
Like the Danish philosopher SØREN KIERKEGAARD once said ;
There are two ways to be fooled , one is to believe what ISN'T TRUE ; The other is to REFUSE to believe what is TRUE !!
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GIVING A SURRENDER IS NOT A PEACE DEAL ITS A SHAKE DOWN !!!! Anyone can make a peace deal when they surrender, which is what Trump is asking Ukraine to do.
Trump and his admin appear to be Putin's lifeline.
Its obvious what happened. A US president tried to shake down a foreign leader for mineral rights in Ukraine. The USA has abandoned its leadership role in the world and is now just for sale. The Republicans have lost their minds and perhaps their souls. Siding with Russia.
JD Vance talks about Zelensky being disrespectful and then points his finger and raises his voice TAKING talking down to Zelensky like he was som sort of child talking this way at a President of a sovereign state who is a visitor in the White House; coming to give 50% of his county natural resources and a deal that is more like a shake down than anything else after VANCE AND TRUNP has call him a dictator and never said any bad word other the praise for Putin .
I did not see Zelenskyy raising his voice. I did not see any arrogance. I saw him attempting to explain that a cease fire without guarantees would not work. He could not get a word in. The tirade of obscene fury from Trump and Vance left no room for a discussion of the issues. Trump, of course, continued lying.
Does the orange man and Vance talk to Mr Putin like that.. just 2 cowards the orange man and the VP.. that clearly are wanting to kiss up to Putin for sure they have some backhand deal going on with the Kremlin ; this was staged ; question sense when does the VP every come and seat down and talk in a press meeting when to head of states are meeting the press before a conference ?? This here was an coordinated attack to make out like Zelenskyy is an unreasonable person that wants war and that Putin and Trump are the peace loving parties
In order to make peace he has to give up his country's most resourceful land.
He's a proud Ukrainian, who is tired of his people being pushed around by the Russians. Now the U.S. is trying to get their hands on the minerals.
Haven't we learned anything from the last 75 years of war?
Granted, this needs to be over fast. How bout letting them keep their minerals and write a contract to where the U.S. would have a fixed price and first dibs on what [they] need.
Trump and associates were in Moscow Nov2013 when Russia forced Ukraine leader to go against parliament decision and people's desire to have agreement with EU. This caused riots and Russia snipers shot 100+ Ukrainian protestors. Russia invaded Crimea and land access for Crimea. Shot down Malaysian airliner over Ukraine! Now we know Trump is ani-EU and pro Putin...... surprised he doesn't have ussr flag on his clown hat.....
Lets see it form this side ; See it from a different angle.
If America was invaded by its neighboring country say Mexico or Canada or Russia that borders Alaska and Russia says for historical reasons (Alaska used to be Russian ) we are taking Alaska becouse it used to be part of Russia so we are taking back ; could you imagine what America would say? will Trump and Vance and the US just let Russia take Alaska in the ints. of world peace !!???
if the rest of the world said that Mexico can just walking in as an aggressor and can take back Texas to New Mexico and all land all the way to Nevada, will US agree to that in the ints. of world peace ?? Will America agree to not be part of any pace talks and be put on the side line and just let European Union or China deal with Putin over Alaska to make peace with Russia for taking Alaska .. becouse Russia has nuclear weapons ?..
The EU goes in and asked Putin for a pace talk to make a deal on how things will be regarding Putin getting Alaska back AND THE EU TELLS the US. you don't get to come to the "pace talks"
I don't think Trump or the American people would agree to "make pace" so why would and should Ukraine agree to their country being carved up and given to Putin. Throughout this last year that's how American thought has been perceived in the West. This so called 'deal' is not a commodity to be bought or sold.
The pro PUTIN BOOT LICKERSthat are putins but boys Trump and JD saying Ukraine has to give up on wanting its land back give up on wanting the Black sea back give up on wanting the Azov sea back give up on wanting its cities back its people ; becouse its just a small bitt of landmass Russia wants so give it up ..
lets get the facts correct here 120,000 km2 of land we are talking about here ..
For the European Union that land mass will be about the same as Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg alltogether..
And for the United Kingdom we are talking about Scotland and all but of England all put together !!
When it comes to how much land that is for America South Carolina, West Virginia will have been lost !!
Why the f. should Ukraine give Russia all that land for what? TO ONLY be invaded some years later when Russia as had a brake and regrouped ,rebuilt its army and fortified positions !!
I SAY RUSSIA GETS TO TAKE LAND AND DEMAND UKRAINE CAN NOT JOIN NATO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL !! Nobody wants to be a "buffer country". NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom !!!! ; The whole concept is demeaning to an independent nation. NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom and self-determination, like some sort of 2nd class country; That is not right, and Russia has no right to demand or bully Ukrainians or Ukraine to accept that Ukraine and its ppl. should become some sort of lap dog on a leash 2nd class country to serve kremlins geopolitical agenda; so Kremlin, Putin and RuZZans can feel better about themselves ..
FACT ; December 1974, Definition of Aggression, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3314 (XXIX) Article 5:
1. No consideration of whatever nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, may serve as a justification for aggression.
2. A war of aggression is a crime against international peace. Aggression gives rise to international responsibility.
3. No territorial acquisition or special advantage resulting from aggression is or shall be recognized as lawful. (*this includes any deals on minerals made under pressure*)
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When America was attacked on September the 11 2001 and The World Trade Center was crumbling ever European Country helped America ; when you went into IRAQ and Afghanistan every European Country was with you sending their boys to day side by side with US troops !!!
In fact every war that the US has been involved in since the 2nd world war be it Korea, Vietnam , etc etc EUROPEAN AND NATO trops have been there for you every step of the way !!! SO WHO IS BEING ENTAILED HERE !! ..
ON A SIDE NOTE ; Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, several countries began military operations against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban during Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) in Afghanistan.
UKRAINE WAS ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES Ukraine was with the US. for 11 years side by side back to back with US forces !!!!
Ukraine allowed use of its airspace and airbases to the US and its allies, but only for cargo flights. Ukraine was a participant in the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan and deployed troops as part of NATO's ISAF mission to the country. It contributed medical personnel supporting Provincial Reconstruction Teams, and provided instructors for NATO's Training Mission. After ISAF's mission ended in 2014, Ukraine supported the follow-on Resolute Support Mission (2015-2021) that trained, advised and assisted Afghan security forces
Korean War (1950 - 1953) ...
Vietnam War (1962 - 1973) ...
Persian Gulf War (1991) ...(FIRST IRAQ WAR )
War in Afghanistan. Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF; October, 2001 – December, 2014)
War in Iraq. Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF; March 2003 - November 2011) ...(2ND IRAQ WAR )
PS can also tell you that Europenas was also with you during the wars before ww2 as well here is some eks ..
The US . war know as First Barbary War (1801–1805)
Nation Alliance;
(Sweden
Kingdom of Sicily
United Kingdom Malta Protectorate
Kingdom of Portugal
The US was know as the Boxer Rebellion (1899–1901)
Nation Alliance
British Empire
France
Germany
Italy
Austria-Hungary
Netherlands
Spain
Belgium
United States occupation of Veracruz (part of the US Mexico wars)
Nation Alliance
United Kingdom
US Korean War
(1950–1953)
Nation Alliance;
United Kingdom
Australia
Belgium
France
Greece
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Spain
US Cambodian War
(1967–1975)
Nation Alliance;
France
When US made a Multinational intervention into Lebanon
(1982–1984)
Nation Alliance;
France
United Kingdom
Italy
Gulf War
(1990–1991)
Nation Alliance;
United Kingdom
France
Iraqi No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
(1991–2003)
Nation Alliance;
United Kingdom
France
Belgium
Netherlands
Italy
First U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War
(1992–1995)
Nation Alliance;
United Kingdom
Spain
Italy
Greece
Germany
France
Belgium
The US ,. Intervention into the Bosnian War and Croatian War (Part of the Yugoslav Wars)
(1992–1995)
Nation Alliance;
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
France
Germany
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Spain
United Kingdom
The US Intervention in Haiti
(1994–1995)
Nation Alliance;
Poland
The US Intervention into the Kosovo War
(1998–1999)
Nation Alliance;
Albania
Croatia
United States
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
France
Germany
Hungary
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Poland
Spain
United Kingdom
The US War in Afghanistan
(2001–2021)
Nation Alliance;
United Kingdom
Australia
New Zealand
Norway
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Georgia
Germany
Netherlands
Italy
Romania
Slovakia
Spain
Turkey
US intervention in Yemen
(2002–present)
United Kingdom
Canada
Denmark
Germany
Greece
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
France
Italy
Iraq War
(2003–2011)
United Kingdom
Australia
Poland
Norway
US intervention in the War in North-West Pakistan
(2004–2018)
United Kingdom
US Operation Ocean Shield
(2009–2016)
Belgium
Denmark
Germany
Greece
Italy
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Spain
United Kingdom
Ukraine
International intervention in Libya
(2011)
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Denmark
France
Greece
Italy
Netherlands
Norway
Romania
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
US-led intervention in Iraq
(2014–2021)
Belgium
Denmark
France
Germany
Italy
Netherlands
United Kingdom
I CAN GO ON AND ON BUT FOR SURE NOW YOU GET MY POINT !!!
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Some important Voltaire Quotes we need to remember in out time ..
* Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ...
* To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth.
And what is the truth? let's look at some facts !
Ukraine territory is a whopping 603,628 square kilometers (233,062 sq mi), Russia at one point occupied a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory and some has been librated so now we are down to 119,000 km2
What really gets me is that some ppl. are now saying why does Ukraine not just let Russia have the areas /land it’s just a small part of Ukraine anyway.....
A small part of Ukraine ...WE ARE taking about a land mass is 119,000 km2
In EU terms thats the size of Belgium, Holland, luxembourg all put together..
In UK terms that the size of all of Scotland and 80% of England all put together !!
In US terms is the size of South Carolina, West Virginia all put together !!
Why the f. should Ukraine give Russia all that land for what? TO ONLY be invaded some years later when Russia as had a brake and regrouped ,rebuilt its army and fortified positions !!
I SAY RUSSIA GETS TO TAKE LAND AND DEMAND UKRAINE CAN NOT JOIN NATO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL !! Nobody wants to be a "buffer country". NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom !!!! ; The whole concept is demeaning to an independent nation. NO nation wants to have a little bit of freedom and self-determination, like some sort of 2nd class country; That is not right, and Russia has no right to demand or bully Ukrainians or Ukraine to accept that Ukraine and its ppl. should become some sort of lap dog on a leash 2nd class country to serve kremlins geopolitical agenda; so Kremlin, Putin and RuZZans can feel better about themselves ...
---------It is embarrassing that the US and Europe do not support Ukraine more than they do , the US. were in Afghanistan for 20 years and achieved less than Ukraine in 2 years, and Ukraine is also a much stronger opponent with many more resources !! As a Norwegian I am ashamed of our policies in the west , the western nations governments use every opportunity to go on national TV and tell how much they support, but the truth is that we have only provided 94 Euros per inhabitant, it is ridiculous when we look at the size of Ukraine, the opponent and the way Russia has bombed cities in Ukraine back to the Stone Age, and that we (western nations ) have not lost a single person in the war , we are talking about Europe, democracy and freedom that Ukraine is defending , one can only be ashamed
Mr, Martin Luther King once said :
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”
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We NEED to understand this :
RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA attacks its target by just being between the gray areas of what is the truth and lies that small crack between the two ; between the light and the dark; between the cracks of the open spaces: in other words they mislead by false appearances and illusions and those doubt and confusing is the order of the day !
And that's why it is so effective, as it is neither lies or truth, is not half truths or half lies; its all of the above and none of the above !!!
It is not made to make you believe in anything or disbelieve anything, it's made to make you doubt and distrust your own reality of what you have of experience about your own society what the world , society has objectivity shown you to be truth, you start to doubt your own society there is no objectivity grounded facts and truth ; everything is subjective and floating, nothing is clear-cut no universal truth.
Russian propaganda just sows enough doubt and confusion, that you just ignore your own thoughts of what you know is true and therefore rocks with your internal conviction and your physical sense of being ! It doesn't try to make you believe anything but to trust nothing and doubt everything around you .. !
In the shadow world of the Kremlin's FSB its called Active measures, and it's psychological subversion and confusion management at its highest level ; what some ppl. may call gaslighting but fare more sophisticated than so !
Its not intelligence collection the FSB and GRU is doing when they run such psychological propaganda operations, but subversion of the countries populace minds and their reality : "active measures " is made to weaken the targets moral , to drive wedges in the the targets community alliances of all sorts, sow discord among allies, to weaken the western systems in the eyes of its own populace.
What Russian propaganda tries to do is mentally turn YOU into one of those "prisoners in the cave" like in Plato's Allegory of the Cave from Plato's Republic (in the theory of forms ) , you see shadows and reflections of what they show you and a twisted from of reality is then reality a type of distorted the truth and facts ; the light and truth has become "shadows on a wall " where you are not sure anymore and started to think and doubt facts and truth believing that maybe up is down, white is black, left is right; truth is lies and fact is fiction !!
And those you will find yourself a solace in your own ignorances and doubt and in some cases you may even choose to be hostile to anyone that challenges whatever preconceptions and notions of doubt you have being gaslighted into thinking is the " truth ( "shadows on a wall " so to speak ) !!!
You have been victimized and programmed by Russian propaganda to believe or disbelieve whatever is the kremlin narrative, you have became a dubious fool that is " on the horns of a dilemma" and you end up in rejecting grounded norms and truth and just willing become accepting of what suites the kremlin narrative; you start repeating Kremlin talking points like a parrot and you are more or less incapable of critical independent sovereign thinking a cognitive dissonance prevails; you will struggle to gain the knowledge and enlightenment needed to analyze contradictory statements !
The target (civilized western world) " western societies populace and you are drained down into a muddy murky abyss of contradictory statements; in other words subversion of the target society (and YOU ) at this point is complete and your ability to illuminate your own thoughts and find truth is destroyed and the path for enlightenment critical thinking is therefore almost impossible..
THIS IS WHAT RUSSIANS FSB AND GRU CALL ACTIVE MEASURES !!
Like the Danish philosopher SØREN KIERKEGAARD once said ;
There are two ways to be fooled , one is to believe what ISN'T TRUE ; The other is to REFUSE to believe what is TRUE !!
Yuri Bezmenov: Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society (Complete) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g&ab_channel=GBPPR2
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